BITTER Makes It BETTER

Have you ever tasted something that was so BITTER, that you couldn't stand it?  Yeah, me too...

Some things in life are flat-out bitter. Not “kind of unpleasant.” Not “a little uncomfortable.” I’m talking about the kind of bitter that hits your tongue and makes you question your life choices. The kind you’d spit out if nobody was watching.

Join Dave for some TASTY talk about:

• Why Bitterness Matters 
• 5 Ways Bitterness Enhances Flavor 
• Real-World Examples of Bitterness in the Bigger Recipe
• 10 Things We Stay Bitter About 
• 5 Ways to Overcome Bitterness 

If you remove every bitter moment from your life…

You don’t get a better life. You get a shallow one. Just bland.

You were never meant to enjoy bitterness by itself. You were meant to use it.

That thing you thought ruined everything  might be the exact thing that made it great.

Giddyup!!!

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Transcript

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Welcome to O'Talkin' with Dave. Coming to you from his palatial fortress in Sin City, where what happens in Vegas is talked about everywhere. Put your hands together for the pastor of positivity whose glass is always at least half full. Here's Dave.

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Hey, how are we doing out there? What's going on? I hope you're doing well. I am top shelf as usual on the ush, as the hip kids say now. I don't think they say that. I really don't. But I had to make up for it somehow. Because I'm in a good mood. I am not bitter today. Or I may have a little bitterness in me, but that's what we're going to talk about. Let's just call it what it is. Some things in life are just flat out bitter. Flat out. Is that a southern thing? Flat out? I don't know the origin of that, but I know what it means. These things are bitter, man. They're not unpleasant. They're not a little bit uncomfortable. I'm talking about the kind of bitter that hits your tongue and make you question all of your culinary and life choices. That bitter taste that you'd spit it out if somebody wasn't watching, and you might do it anyway. Let's think about it. Let's think about it. Like black chicory coffee. If you know what chicory is, it's bitter. No sugar. No. How about just cocoa? Looks like Nestle's Quick. I remember I took a spoonful of cocoa one time. Mom wouldn't buy us Nestle's Quick because we didn't get the luxuries. So I got a spoonful of cocoa. Bitter. Remember the first time I ever tasted a grapefruit. Man, those things fight back until you get used to it. And then still, that's a punch. How about I had an uncle who loved burnt toast. Yeah, but I don't. You have to convince yourself it's fine. That's no, thank you. I like my toast toasted, not burned. How about that first shot of whiskey? Pow. Feels like in a personal assault. I remember the first time I came to California and tasted an IPA. Cheese and crackers. I'm tasting lawn clippings here. Or how about that? I remember one time I thought I grew went to work at a grocery store at a produce department, and we sold kale as a garnish. Now they're making salads out of it. So I tasted it first time just by itself, and no thank you. Or even that medicine, it makes you feel better. And they say it tastes like sugar, but depends on what it is. These things on their own, they're brutal. They are brutal. Yet, some of the best things that you have ever tasted depends on it. Now I know what you're thinking. Some of these things, they're okay. I like black coffee. However, sometimes it takes some getting used to, and some bitter things you don't want to get used to. But the thing is, what I said, sometimes the best things you ever tasted depend on it. Yeah. Black coffee without bitterness, that's just brown water. Yeah, I love black coffee. I remember my dad used to say, why would you want to mess up a good cup of coffee when you put sugar or something in it? I know some people who put a little coffee in their milk. Hello. But black coffee without bitterness, eh, I think it's just brown water. You gotta have that punch or dark chocolate. I love dark chocolate. If you don't, that bitterness in that dark chocolate, that's what sets it apart. Otherwise, it's like milk chocolate, candy for children. I like that too, by the way. Or I'm whiskey without a bite. That's not a drink. That's just uh that's just liquid wanting something in a glass. You can just water that down. Just drink ice water if you want something like that. Because here's the thing bitterness by itself, some things, it's almost intolerable. But with the right mix, it's magic. I remember my grandparents used to say, Whoo, that's bitter as quinine. I've never had quinine. I think they outlawed that with ether to the public. But I remember that was bitter. You associated that with bitter, but it had its uses. So the whole premise behind this is life works the same way. Stay with me. There are moments that are bitter. Bitter enough you just want to quit. You just want to quit. You think I just can't do this. And some of the main ones I think about. Now these are bitter. Betrayal. Failure. Embarrassment. Loss. The thought of a missed opportunity you can't get back. All of these. Yeah, yeah, I know I hit you hard out of the Dave. You switch from the culinary to just punching us in the face with life. All of those things, betrayal, ah, abandonment, all of those things. On their own, they are hard to swallow. They are hard to swallow. But when they're blended into the full recipe that is your life, they deepen the flavor. Now, I'm not going to be this philosophical throughout the whole talk, but I want you to get that. Blend it into the whole recipe. You couldn't have chocolate cake without cocoa. It's not good by itself. So the problem is this. We keep trying to taste the bitterness by itself. Okay, forget the fact that I love black coffee. It was an analogy. I love it so much. I just eat the coffee crowns. But in life, we keep tasting the bitterness by itself. We remember that. We remember the betrayal. We remember the abandonment, the fear, the embarrassment. We remember it by itself. We isolate it. We replay it over and over. We analyze it and then we ruminate on it. The taste. How horrible it was. Yeah. That's like chewing, chewing a spoonful of cocoa and saying, Yeah, I don't like dessert anymore. If this is chocolate, I don't like dessert. I don't like sweets. Forget about it. Nah. Nope. Your perspective is off if you're doing that. And that's not what we should do. So why do we do it? Because bitterness matters. And I'm backing this up with reality. I love to look at now and realize some studies are they're slanted. You can make a study say anything you want, but studies in psychology show that people who experience adversity and process it constructively have higher life satisfaction long term than those who didn't go through it at all. The bitterness made it better than it would have been otherwise. Post traumatic growth research suggests that seventy percent of people report positive personal change after major life setbacks. Let that sink in a second. Much better because of it. The bitterness. Neuroscience tells us that contrast is everything. Without negative emotional experiences, your brain literally can't register the depth of positive things. If it's always been, ah, Pollyanna, first of all, you crumble. But second of all, you don't know how good that tastes. The depth. It's all translated, all this psycho mumbo jumbo. You don't get the highs without the lows. You don't get the sweet without the bitter. That's I think that's boom. O talk over. It's so true. And I grew up love watching cooking shows, watching my mom cook, watching my grandmother cook. And it's oh, my aunts are some of the best cooks in the world. It's fantastic. And I would say, why do you put that in there? It's contrast, it deepens the flavor. Putting a little salt will bring out the flavor of chocolate. It's fantastic. Just these little things. It's not a cooking show, but it could be. That's important. And let's just talk on other examples. I'll stay calling air here for a minute. Why bitter ways that bitterness enhances flavor? Let's talk about coffee. I love black coffee. I don't know why. I just do it. And I got to the point where I can't get it strong enough. There's other things that have been that way. You know why, though? I like it with something. To take a bite of something and a sip of black coffee, together it's fantastic. But when you talk about coffee, the bitter edge wakes up my senses. Without it, it's just not as rich. I mean, there's a lesson in that. Sometimes discomfort sharpens your awareness. It does. I used to think my parents were just, why do you got to be so skeptical? Why do you got to be so cynical when I was a kid? Okay, that sharpens your awareness. They've been stung before. Bitterness wakes up your senses and sharpens your awareness. So that's coffee. Let's talk about dark chocolate again, because I love dark chocolate. And it's actually good for you. I choose to believe that. It's probably not as good for you as I think. I like dark chocolate with brutally bitter coffee. But anyway, the bitterness in the dark chocolate balances the sweetness. And the two become just. If it was, if there was no bitterness in dark chocolate, it would just be too sweet, according to the culinary geniuses. It would be overwhelming. So they little bitterness in there, a little more cocoa or whatever they use, that content changes that flavor, changes the experience. There's a life lesson in that. Hardship keeps success from becoming empty. The success you had, that's great. But if you hadn't overcome anything, this is easy. I remember my buddy and I went out to Vegas one time. He came out to check on me and see what's going on, and he just wanted to play to play blackjack with his buddy, and I don't gamble. He said, I'll give you$100 and you can use that up. I just want to sit at a we started winning. We won in four different casinos. Of course, I didn't get a lot out of it because I don't get anything out of gambling. But I said over and over, this is easy. Then the bitterness came at the crap table. I know I went from dark chocolate to gambling, but hey, I'm a riverboat gambler. But that's it. Hardship doesn't mean you're not going to win. And success is nothing without tests along the way. It's empty. You think this is easy, and the end will be near. I'll go back to the craft beer. I couldn't I didn't like it when I first had it. The hops brought such a bite. I felt like I was gnawing on a pine cone. However, it is an acquired taste, I'll say that. Just resolve and resilience. What did it for me? When I I'm a food guy, so when they give me this bitter drink that everybody's drinking, and they pair it with some food, oh, now I'm hooked. I remember at where was it? Stone Brewery. We got some appetizers, some quail knots, and some duck nachos. Oh, that tastes good with that. Ah, goes together. It's an ensemble. Great meal. What's the lesson in that? Six months later, I was brewing beer. I couldn't get it hoppy enough. Sometimes growth isn't instant. It takes time. But it sticks. Let's do another one. How about let's go prevent some scurvy? How about that? How about the zest? Another culinary thing. What's different in the zest? The skin? The outer skin? It's concentrated flavor. Yeah, it is. But it's a little bit bitter. That to the white part, the pith there, very bitter. But enhances the brightness of whatever you're putting it in. The zest makes everything else pop. You may not even know what it was. It's that zest rather than the lemon juice. Which life lesson there. Tough moments highlight what actually matters. Zest. You gotta have some zest in your life. And then the last one I'll do. I love to cook. I love to grill. Back in the West, they call it barbecue. We grill in the South, grill masters here, but I love to grill wings. I do. I marinate them overnight. And that marinade, when you when you grill them, sometimes you get that little char on the outside. It's not burnt, it's the char. A lot of it is the marinade cooking the skin. That slight burn and that bitterness, it gives it such a depth of flavor. I love it. You look at uh you look at a brisket. I go to Texas, and the brisket, they open it up, bring it out, and it looks like just a black hunk of ugh. But that bark on the edge, it's bitter. Ah, but with the juices and the seasonings and the flavor, it it deepens it. I'm about to starve now. No char, no character. It's kind of wimp. So that pressure is what does it. Okay, let's stop with the food. I've started ordering from Doordash, and that's a slippery slope. It's bittersweet. Let's talk about life. So the truth most people avoid that I've seen, and I've done it myself, is you don't have a bitterness problem. You have a what you're doing with it problem. Because it life is not serving you the ingredients one at a time. It's handing you a full plate. Now, many times you've already tasted an ingredient or you've had an ingredient forced in your mouth. It was bitter, it was nasty, it's horrible. Okay, quit focusing on that flavor and focus on the meal. Same way. Quit focusing on that betrayal, that abandonment, that fear, that embarrassment, that failure. It's part of a journey. It's part of a lot of circumstances. You got Passover for a promotion. All right. Okay, what'd you do? Did you quit? All right. No wonder you're bitter. No wonder that's a bad taste in your mouth. But what if you forced yourself to develop some skills? Why didn't I get it? And later, the fact that the timing was better, you got something that doubled your income or doubled your satisfaction or gratitude. Not so bitter now. That was a key ingredient, a relationship that ended badly. All right. Have you ever had one that ended badly? I think ended is the key word there. If it ended badly, hey, it taught you something. It made you more cautious. It taught you about trust. It taught you about focusing on what matters. Maybe it taught you some early warning signs so that when a better one came along, it was worth it. Or maybe your screening process improved. How about that? Pause. One, two, three. Alexa, stop. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Maybe you had a business fail. Maybe I did. That that has messed a lot of people up. During COVID, so many businesses failed. That was outside outside circumstances. Which I think may even make it worse. That makes you bitter. That gave you some scar tissue that maybe an MBA or a doctorate couldn't even teach you. What do we learn from this? And we move on. It's part of it. You show me a success story with no bitterness and failure and challenges. I'm saying you don't have all the information. All that is true. It's there. Okay, I've been embarrassed publicly. It's awful. It's horrible. It's horrible. But now, eh, depending on what it was, I'm ready for it. I can't control how you treat me, but I can control how you continue to treat me. Patterns, different things. Now rooms don't intimidate me. Fourth grade, Miss Houston made me get up in front of the class and do a duet with her with Waltzing Matilda. I love that song. Maybe because it had Billabong in it. I don't know. We get up there holding hands, singing, I was mortified. I killed it, but still it was embarrassing. Yeah. Who would have thought 10 years later I'm singing and playing the piano in church? 20 years later, I'm singing and playing in bands. 30 years later, I'm talking to thousands of people. Yeah. That public embarrassment became a catalyst for a bigger picture. Financial stress. Anybody got financial stress? If you haven't, you will. You either had it, you're having it, or you're going to have it. It's alright. You'll learn to respect money instead of just spending it. You won't buy 18 boat oars or a bunch of different lamps that really, I don't know, I don't know why I got them, but I have a whole assortment. Yeah. You'll learn to use money better. You'll learn to make more money. You'll learn to do different things because of financial stress. Otherwise, it has no value. And then I tell you, it's tough. If you lose somebody, somebody passes. That's bitter. That's bitterness. That's sorrow. Sorrow. Yeah. I remember my mom passed in 2018. And I stopped taking people for granted. She couldn't speak a couple of years before she passed. I stopped taking words and conversations for granted. Yeah. It made me closer to other people and realize how many people I cared about that were getting up in age. But it helped. It taught me lessons and made my life richer. Yeah. None of these things felt like ingredients at the time. They felt like poison. It was poison. But you gotta zoom out. They weren't the meal. They're just seasoning. And if you can get your head around that, and I know during the trial it is tough, but understanding when you're getting over it, remaining bitter is because you're focusing on an ingredient. And why do we do that? What are some things that we stay bitter about? Not just the big ones, some other Things. Like someone disrespects you. That happens a lot, happens all the time. It's different than underestimating. Disrespect. Okay, that's more pointy. That's more bitter. Or maybe a deal that didn't go your way. You can be bitter toward your competition. You can be bitter toward a customer. You can be bitter toward someone who could have helped you more. Or maybe a boss. Maybe it's the boss's fault. He didn't see your value. There are people getting let go from jobs. Not because they can't do it necessarily. It's because somebody doesn't see their value or your potential. We'll say it that way. How about your friend, a particular friend who just disappeared? I don't see them anymore. I don't talk to them. They're ghost in me. Yeah. Or a bad financial position that you're in right now. That'd make you better. Or a missed opportunity. You still keep replaying. If I'd only done that. Oh, if I'd only responded this way, you replay it over and over in your mind. Or maybe a family dynamic. You never got resolved. Maybe maybe it's still there, but maybe it's not able to. Maybe it's someone passed away, or it's so wide a gap you can't get through it. You may be bitter at them. You may be bitter about something you did. I used to be bitter about being underestimated. But when you look at that whole pie there, it's not over until you quit. Underestimate me. It's bitter at the time, though. Or maybe it's something you wanted to do and you just hadn't got to it. You wanted to travel, you wanted to go to a particular place, you wanted to be at a certain stage by a certain age and you didn't make it. Or maybe it's something that you can't do. I would love to be a world-class golfer. I'm a little bitter about that. But see, all these things they're a little less than betrayal and sorrow and all these big ones. But they're in there. It's in there. You have a lot more of these than the big ones. What do you do with that? They're still real, they're still bitter. But the thing is, here's the dangerous thing about sustained bitterness. It doesn't stay in its lane. It doesn't stay at work. It swerves over into your home. It doesn't stay in play. It will come back to haunt you at work. They're all intermingled because bitterness doesn't make sense. It's not good by itself. So what are you gonna do? You have to mix it with the entire meal. I can't get away from the culinary, sorry. You think it's about that one thing, but it leaks into your attitude or your relationships, your decision making, and your energy. We talk about energy on a recent O talk. It dulls everything if you think about it as one thing. So let's talk about it. How do you overcome this? Just blatantly. How do we overcome this? It's not one thing. It's a process, it's a recipe. First thing you gotta do, and I say you gotta, I try not to ever say you should. But to deal with this, I have to just stop isolating it. Stop isolating it like it's an event. That's easy to do. You gotta look at your, if not your whole life, your work life. Look at it as your home life, before kids, during kids, after kids, your friendships. It's don't just look at one chapter. What how fun would it be if somebody said, This is a great book. Here, read chapter 15. And that's all you read. You don't do that. Why about a trip? Talk about what a beautiful drive it is. You only get to see downtown LA. Look what else you're missing out on. You don't take the drive up the Pacific Coast Highway up to Big Sur because you gotta drive through LA. Come on. It's part of it. Context kills bitterness. Context kills bitterness. Put it in there. Don't treat it as one event. Okay, I think I beat that one up. Second one. Pull out or extract the utility in there. What did this teach me that I actually can use now? I know that's a little Pollyanna, but it's true. Hey, if it taught you something, the bitterness is just a little bit of rent. Maybe you can't see it all now. It's not finished cooking. Come on. Extract the utility. What can we do? What can we now? We don't even have to add it. We just have to perceive it and realize that it's there. Maybe it's not finished cooking. The next year of your life is going to make this the most important thing, this bitterness. It's going to make that so important. So extract that utility. A key thing for most people that are bitter and have a problem with chronic bitterness is shorten the replay loop. Oh, we do it. We ruminate. Oh, you don't need to re-watch the worst moment of your life daily. That's not reflection. That is self-sabotage. No, do the whole highlight reel. Do the whole thing. Yeah. Look at remember the, I remember, I can't remember who it was, but they were doing, they were, it's in the Olympics. They fell and they got up and they end up coming back and winning. Where most of the time they would just roll over and ah, screwed up it, screwed up it, screwed it up. My whole Olympic of glory. Uh-uh. I'm getting back up. But if you replay that fall over and over, self-sabotage. Unless you watch the whole thing and watch him win. So good. So many sports analogies in this one. So shorten that replay loop. Replace the why me with what now. That's it. It didn't happen to you, it happened for you. You're the beneficiary, not the victim. Why me? Replace that with what now? Forward motion dissolves that stagnation. Context gets rid of the bitterness. What now? Okay, this happened. What now? Let's mix some ingredients in here with it. And then I tell you the biggest thing, in my opinion. All these are important as far as I'm concerned, but this one is big. Take the lesson and drop the emotion. Keep the wisdom and dump that weight. Set it down. It's important. But emotion amplifies bitterness. Focus on the meal, not that ingredient. And don't get emotional about it. My sweet mom and dad, they for some reason they wallpapered our kitchen one time. They wallpapered a lot, now that I think back. But the wall they wallpapered the kitchen in this real busy pineapple pattern. Later I found out what pineapples mean. I'm thinking, not mom and dad, surely. No, trust me. But there was one area where they couldn't get it to match up perfectly. That was big. A busy pattern, but it was over right at the edge, up high, and really a little past the edge of a cabinet. And it didn't match up right. And they just couldn't get it to. The wall, the ceiling and the walls, they weren't square. It was an old house. And they could, for years, when somebody would come in and talk about, oh, this is so good, they would look in that corner. Yeah, except for that. And sometimes they would point it out, yeah, it all matches up except for right there in the corner. Why they pointed that out, I don't know. They couldn't get past it. They never could. I remember when they when they took that wallpaper down, they at least we don't have to look at that anymore. They got emotional about it. You can't do that. That's what we were laughing about it, but that's what we do. You know, that one person who wronged you, and you just you're bitter toward them. They forgot about it a long time ago, but you're holding on to it. Every time you see them, it drives you crazy. Every time you think about it, you think of them and what they did to you. Keep the wisdom and dump the emotion. Okay, so why do we do this? Dave, that's great. Oh, thank you so much for this wisdom you're bestowing upon us. Yeah, how we do that crap. I'm not the best person to talk to. However, I've had to deal with bitterness, as we all have. And here's some things I think we can do. At home, work, and play. So at home, what's an honest conversation that you've been avoiding? I don't know. With your partner, with your kids, maybe home. Home expands to past just your immediate family, too. What is that? What just an honest conversation? Honey, you make green beans all the time, and I gotta tell you, I hate green beans. Stop making them. Not that they're bitter, but I am. I'm being facetious. Or how about let go of an old resentment? I'm not saying men or women are worse at this, but let it go. If you're gonna hang around, if we're gonna we're gonna work this out, let that go. Quit bringing it up every time we talk, every time we start to argue, you bring up something from 20 years ago. That goes back to the emotion, that goes back to other things. Let go of one resentment that has expired. Two-year-old milk, you would pour that out. Hopefully you would take it out in a tightly sealed. However, you wouldn't put up with that. If you're gonna be here, clear it up, deal with it, let go of it. And another one, just start appreciating what's present instead of mourning what's missing. All these are just much easier said than done, which everything is, but just think about it. If you had that one honest conversation, if you let go of one resentment, and if you just was if you were grateful for what you got rather than what you either never had or you lost, who that takes care of some bitterness, and you gotta give some context to do that. So at work, what's some things we can do? Turn one frustration into a like a skill upgrade. Yeah, when they cut me off. They cut me off. It's embarrassing or I feel unvalued or whatever. Okay, what can I do? Next time somebody cuts me off, what is a skill? What is a skill I can use? And there are different techniques with your hands, or you raise your voice, or ah, let me finish, and you keep going. What is a skill you can learn? This you can name a bunch of different things at work. Maybe it's uh improve your vocabulary, your presentation skills, or your collaboration, all that. Think about it. I need to do better at this. How can I? And then do it. Another thing, one great way to reduce bitterness at work is stop waiting on recognition. You're not going to get that pat on the back from certain people, jealousy, insecurity, what that's gonna keep them from doing it. So, what do you do? Create undeniable value. Don't water dead flowers over here. Bring value, others will notice it, and eventually the consensus will take over. It's a great way to reduce bitterness at work. And then I think one of the things that I've seen sink people is everybody else has forgot their past mistakes except for them. So use those past mistakes at work as a strategy, not shame. People have moved on. You're the one that's focused on that one ingredient. And then at play, re-engage in something that you once enjoyed. For me, that would be tennis. I haven't played tennis, I don't even have a tennis racket. Fishing. I grew up fishing, fished all the time. I'm in the desert now, so it's a little tough. It's a little tough, but I know people on the coast. I would love that. Bunch of things that I used to do, I don't do anymore. And I don't know why. But I know engaging in that, I would be less bitter. Yeah. I think another one with play is hobbies, things like that. Don't let old disappointments dictate new experiences. I move around a lot. Same disappointment in a new atmosphere may be great. I love hiking and I love walking, and it's absolutely wonderful. And goodness, I've got the ankles that should be, they should be outlawed. I should be wearing splints. My ankles are so weak. And a lot of times I don't try it because of fear of messing up an ankle. Please. That's no reason not to try. There's ways to adjust and do different things. Don't let those old disappointments dictate what I experience now. And then the thing with play, because that's me time, just to clarify, whether whatever you need for you, if it's quiet time, if it's interaction with a sport or a hobby or a group of enthusiasts for something, when you do that, be where you are at the time and enjoy it rather than dragging into it where you've been. That would be a weed. Yeah. I've heard people. I've heard people in a great situation, they're having fun. Man, this is so much better than the last one. Let me tell you how bad that was. No, I don't want you to. This particular situation is the perfect recipe. Don't skew it. So that's just some areas that we can do, homework and play, that reduces the bitterness. Sometimes, sometimes you just, that's all you have to do. Reduce it enough to you can enjoy the meal. It's kind of like salt. You always put more in, but you can't take it out. You have to make a bunch more to balance it. Just a quick reality check. If you remove every bitter moment from your life, you don't get a better life. You get a shallow life. You get a life with no depth, there's no contrast, there's no appreciation, it's just bland. Now, I'm not saying go out and look for things to be bitter about. No, not at all. But that's what it would be because there's no contrast. You were never meant to enjoy bitterness by itself. You were meant to use it. Use it. To sharpen you, to wake you up sometimes, but also to balance everything else. So stop tasting your life one bitter moment, one bitter ingredient at a time. Step back. Step back. Look at the full plate. Because when it's all mixed together, that thing you thought ruined everything might just be the exact thing that made it great. Truer words have never been spoken. I say this from experience, but I also love passing this on. I look forward to your comments. Let me know what you think. Tell me how I'm right in your life. You have experienced this. Tell me if you don't think I'm right at all. Hit me David at OTalks.com or David O Talks.com. Or just hit the website. That tells you how to get a hold of me. But I look forward to hearing these. It's great. The bitterness makes us better if we can deal with it. All right. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for hanging on, but most of all, don't be bitter. Thanks for O talking with Dave. Giddy up.